<div dir="ltr">Hi Praveen,<div><br></div><div>Great news about multi-state cooperative.<br><br>I have a couple of questions. I could have sent you a direct message, but similar questions might be relevant to others on the list.<br><br>Is money (a share price of 1000) the only criterion to become a member?<br>Have you explored Matrix (such as <a href="http://element.io">element.io</a> over XMPP) at all?<div><br></div><div>Thanks<br></div><div>Yogesh</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:39 PM Pirate Praveen via plug-mail <<a href="mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in">plug-mail@plug.org.in</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
We specifically need your help to register a multi state cooperative <br>
society, which needs 50 members each from two states and we have 50+ <br>
from Kerala and 26 from Maharashtra. If some of you joins and helps <br>
find some more members we can register this soon.<br>
Read more below<br>
Unpopular policies<br>
In January 2021, popular messaging app WhatsApp changed their privacy <br>
policy to combine all the data it gets with Facebook, giving users only <br>
two choices: accept the new privacy policy, or leave WhatsApp <br>
altogether.<br>
<br>
In a world where using WhatsApp has become a norm, that wasn’t really <br>
a choice.<br>
<br>
There were many users who did not like this new privacy policy. They <br>
tried to leave WhatsApp for other messaging apps, like Telegram and <br>
Signal. A sizable amount of users disagreed with the push by WhatsApp, <br>
but leaving a popular app like WhatsApp comes with its own <br>
costs—losing touch with contacts on WhatsApp. That meant, unless they <br>
were willing to be cut out from a lot of their contacts, people had to <br>
still leave one foot in the WhatsApp door.<br>
<br>
How different the situation is with phone numbers! If you had similar <br>
disagreements with a phone company A, you could have easily switch to <br>
any other phone company B and still be able to talk to other contacts <br>
by calls and SMS. Your contacts need not switch to company B to <br>
communicate with you. (In fact, the reason phone companies don’t make <br>
decisions like this is because they know customers will immediately <br>
leave them for a better provider. The ability for users to leave keeps <br>
phone companies under control).<br>
<br>
A solution: XMPP<br>
Imagine if all messaging apps were like phone and email, where users of <br>
any app can contact with users of other apps. In the above example, <br>
people would have a real choice to leave WhatsApp and just use any <br>
other service.<br>
<br>
This is exactly what we need.<br>
<br>
XMPP is a protocol that lets this happen. For the uninitiated, you can <br>
think of XMPP as a superpowered SMS, which works over the Internet and <br>
allows modern features like calls and image-sharing. It’s not a <br>
single company like WhatsApp but a standard that different companies <br>
can provide for.<br>
<br>
Messaging apps and services that that use XMPP can talk to each other. <br>
Examples of such apps are: Blabber, Snikket, Siskin, and more (think of <br>
these like Google SMS, Samsung SMS, Silence, and any other SMS app). <br>
Examples of XMPP service providers include <a href="http://disroot.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">disroot.org</a>, <a href="http://poddery.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">poddery.com</a>, <br>
<a href="http://monocles.de" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">monocles.de</a>, and a whole bunch more (think of these as different <br>
service providers, like BSNL, Vi, or Airtel).<br>
<br>
To drive home the point: any user registered on any XMPP service can <br>
talk to other users of any other XMPP service. (<a href="http://disroot.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">disroot.org</a> users and <br>
<a href="http://poddery.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">poddery.com</a> users can send each other messages, just like BSNL users <br>
can exchange SMSes and calls with people on Airtel). This gives users <br>
choice of service providers: a single company does not control <br>
everything, and we won’t be forced to accept arbitrary terms by <br>
services like WhatsApp to be in touch with others.<br>
<br>
Ease of adoption<br>
Unfortunately, the current onboarding process on most XMPP services is <br>
not user friendly at all compared to WhatsApp. This issue, combined <br>
with the lack of awareness about XMPP services among common people, has <br>
made mass adoption difficult.<br>
<br>
Things don’t have to be this way, and Quicksy is a leading example of <br>
this. Like WhatsApp, Quicksy allows users to register in a few taps by <br>
entering their phone number and receiving an OTP. But because it’s an <br>
XMPP service, Quicksy users can talk to users on other XMPP services.<br>
<br>
We are developing the Prav app to complement Quicksy by providing a <br>
compatible app (Prav users can talk with Quicksy users) and offering <br>
more choice to users. People can easily sign up for Prav in the same <br>
way they do for Quicksy, but now they have more than one alternative to <br>
choose from. Before, the choice only existed for people willing to <br>
figure out the complex setup process on other XMPP providers; with Prav <br>
they now have another easy-to-set-up alternative.<br>
<br>
Respects users’ freedom<br>
Our app is ‘free software’, which means users get freedom to run, <br>
study, modify, share and share the modified versions. When we say <br>
‘free’, we mean ‘freedom’ and not ‘free-of-cost’. To avoid <br>
ambiguity of the word ‘free’, we also call it swatantra software. <br>
Examples of free software are VLC Media Player, Firefox, Debian, <br>
Quicksy, Prav etc. You can learn more about Free Software and why it is <br>
important here 1.<br>
<br>
This means that the original source code behind a swatantra app is <br>
freely available for anyone to inspect; people can conduct independent <br>
security audits instead of having to trust a company’s word about <br>
what data they are or are not collecting. Such an auditing can also <br>
verify whether the app sends messages in end-to-end encrypted form or <br>
not.<br>
<br>
In contrast, WhatsApp does not provide source code for their app and we <br>
can never verify independently whether the app encrypts messages as <br>
they claim.<br>
<br>
Running as a cooperative<br>
Choice aside, Quicksy is run by a single person, which has its own <br>
drawbacks—most significantly, having a single point of failure if <br>
something goes wrong. We want to offer Prav as a cooperative, adding <br>
more resilience by managing the service as a group, having a democratic <br>
decision making structure.<br>
<br>
In India, cooperative societies can be registered under state <br>
cooperative laws or under central laws. Only people from the same state <br>
can become members if we register under any state cooperative laws. So, <br>
we prefer registering as a Multi State Cooperative Society to allow <br>
people from different states to join as members. Members elect the <br>
leadership team of a cooperative for a specific term and there will be <br>
regular elections to elect the leadership team giving members <br>
democratic control over the cooperative.<br>
<br>
Every member will have one vote irrespective of the number of shares <br>
they hold in the cooperative, making it impossible for big companies to <br>
aquire the cooperative and take control of decisions. Acquisition by <br>
big companies is an issue as it can compromise the service: as an <br>
example, WhatsApp was an independent company, but it was eventually <br>
bought up by Facebook, which compromised the service in may ways, such <br>
as by weakening its privacy policy over the years.<br>
<br>
Next steps<br>
For this project to be successful, we need more people to join as <br>
members of the Multi State Cooperative Society. By law, we need at <br>
least 50 members each from two Indian states before we can do the <br>
registration.<br>
<br>
At the moment, we have 50+ members from Kerala, 26 members from <br>
Maharashtra, and a few from various other states. Details are at <br>
<a href="https://prav.app/become-a-member" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://prav.app/become-a-member</a> 2.<br>
<br>
By registering as a member of the Prav Multi State Cooperative Society, <br>
you can help us with your experience, knowledge and the amount that you <br>
give for buying shares will help us in funding for the app and running <br>
the service. Plus, your membership will help us cover the legal <br>
requirements for becoming a cooperative society.<br>
<br>
In case, we fail to reach 50 members from a second state by June 15 <br>
this year, we plan to register as a cooperative in Kerala. This is an <br>
intermediate measure: we will still work to meet the necessary <br>
requirements in other states, and once that’s done, we will register <br>
as a Multi State Cooperative Society as originally planned.<br>
<br>
How you can help<br>
If we don’t get enough members by June 15th 2023, we will have to go <br>
through a two-step process to get members. To prevent this, we’re <br>
trying to onboard members as soon as possible—and we need your help!<br>
<br>
You can register as a member and spread the word to your friends to <br>
register as well, by visiting <a href="https://prav.app/become-a-member/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://prav.app/become-a-member/</a><br>
<br>
Read more <br>
<a href="https://azadmaidan.in/t/prav-app-reclaiming-choice-of-service-providers/83" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://azadmaidan.in/t/prav-app-reclaiming-choice-of-service-providers/83</a><br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Thank You<br><br>Yogesh Powar<br><a href="https://yogeshpowar.github.io/blog/" target="_blank">https://yogeshpowar.github.io/blog/</a><br></div></div></div></div></div>