[PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[shirish]

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On Monday 12 October 2015 09:48 AM, Thin Rhino wrote:

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> I have never understood the noise around <My>Linux & <Your>Linux! I visited
> their websites and the only thing,
> different is screenshots with Indian Languages. Everything else, is just
> the same that comes with Ubuntu or Fedora.
> Same old open office, same old GNome / KDE.
>
> As I see this, take source code from the web compile it, re-brand it and
> gloat about it is made in/for India etc.
>
> I would rather have you good people spend time & effort in distributing
> Ubuntu or Fedora or any other OS to
> people and teach people to write good code using these tools. Who cares,
> what OS you are using?

Dear Thin Rhino,

Please don't use euphemisms . If you want to say something about 
somebody put it straight.

I do not agree with you however. Whole lot of people including my own 
self care about which OS we use. If it was going to be just Ubuntu and 
Fedora we might as well as use MS-Windows, as you yourself said who 
cares which OS you are using.

Some established distributions which bought whole lot of things :-

a. Debian - If Debian is/was not there, then Ubuntu wouldn't have been 
there in the first place. There is still whole lot of heavy lifting that 
Debian does that Ubuntu profits from. If Debian would not be there then 
you would have not have Ubuntu in the first place and would have quite a 
bit poorer experience if Debian would cease to exist.

b. Linux Mint - The Mint Installer and quite a few packages that Mint 
bought made it much easier for newbies. It was also a fork.

c. Gentoo, Arch, BSD's all have contributed something or the other.

As you have posted about the Indian contributions or lack of, even if 
just themeing is the improvement, even if agree on that, as far as it 
brings in people who are able to work and use GNU/Linux (no matter what 
parent distribution is underneath ) that's a win-win for both the 
distribution which did that and people who are able to gain or do 
something with it.

Principally, I would not go with Ubuntu simply because of the 
GPL+contrib . It is not a good license and is being used by 
Canonical/Mark in poisoning the waters. I could never understand why 
GPL2 or GPLv3 wasn't good enough for them and they had to bring in 
GPLv2+contrib or GPLv3+contrib and variants.

> You want to stop Facebook Zero and all that? Get people to access the
> internet and show them the power of
> free and open source, not by distributing some customised copy of Linux.
> But by showing how, the free and
> open web and free and open tools, can help them live a better life.

we are doing that as part of outreach either in individual capacity or 
as part of hamara.

> In 2015, writing / rewriting / re branding an OS is biggest waste of time,
> effort, talent and money.

Not necessarily. If the idea of GNU/Linux were to some sort of oligopoly 
(where only the chosen few could take part) then GNU/Linux would simply 
fall apart.

The reason it has thrived is because people have their own itch to 
scratch whether it is just making themes or whatever else, it has 
improved and added to GNU/Linux overall.

> You want to spread FOSS, build something like this
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/introducing-the-bbc-micro-bit
> and educate people how programming using open source tools can be fun.

While I laud that effort, do you mean to say there is nothing that needs 
to be done on the software front ?

I could at least state a dozen things we need to improve on existing 
tools and toolkits as well as documentation, UI etc.

There is lots and lots of things that need improvement.

Another thing to point, the RPI has limited freedom, the Beaglebone 
Black and few others has much more in terms of freedom.

It would be interesting as and when they come with updated specs as 
right now RPi is king of hill as far as pricing and features are concerned.


Lastly, on the topic of missing e-mails I saw that gmail does miss out 
mails of plug (searched in PLUG, Inbox and Spam) some e-mails are not 
there, whereas if you use a mail client then everything is in order.


> Cheers
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Regards,
Shirish Agarwal,
Community Lead,
Hamaralinux.org